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Steve Hines's avatar

Another thought provoking post. I’d read the New Yorker article previously. It had caught my attention as I consider myself someone who is practicing Stoicism and very interested in philosophy. But I came away a bit unsure what to think of the described philosophical counseling movement that was described. Your essay helped me connect the dots and better appreciate the strengths and weaknesses. And I was frankly a bit relieved when you described your own psychotherapy practices. My favorite part was the text at the end about listening. So lovely. As a former educator, maybe I too was a “help professional”. It often felt that way for sure. And I learned to advise new educators regarding their students, “Listen first. Don’t judge. Don’t react. Don’t get defensive. Don’t start forming a response in your head. Just listen, and maybe ask some questions. Listen to understand.”

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Gary, I keep returning to this note while making my way through my MA program in clinical mental health training. I'd like to push one pressure point. Though he certainly talks more than a therapist should, I cannot help but continue to judge that Plato's Socrates gives a therapeutic model. Socrates is a midwife. If your schema is inconsistent and you do not see this, if a value is fuzzy and potentially harmful and you do not see this, Socrates uncovers and shows it to you. Socrates does not tell you what to think; rather, he makes apparent to you what is dispositional ("automatic") for you and helps you test it. I rather doubt most clients in need of healing would benefit from seeing Socrates himself (at least Plato's). While he exercises irony and certainly gives support, the challenging is much more prominent. Nonetheless, what Socrates maybe does do—and this is a real benefit of philosophy—is to help you recognize your deepest organizing principles and to get conceptual clarity about what they are. I always recoil when I see what CBT does referred to as "Socratic questioning." As it tends to get practiced, CBT does nothing of the sort (and it must fall short: CBT is not a way of life; Socrates is a eudaemonist). The question I keep coming back to: once rapport and trust are established, what if CBT or other orientations did? Socrates does not tell you what Socrates thinks about you. Socrates tells you what you think about you and then helps you test it. And maybe this is helpful for some clients with some problems. I cannot imagine philosophy does not contribute greatly in helping a client work through axiological distress (e.g., what does it mean really to flourish [universal] and what would this look like for you [particular]). But then I have not yet started practicum. I'm going to find out soon enough!

I'll end an already too long, bloated reply. A major difference between philosophy and therapy is that philosophy is about the universal and therapy is about the particular. Philosophy does not aim at and perhaps cannot get at the individual in her particularity (I think there is a lesson in the Phaedo about the limits of philosophical consolation for the individual, but that's a long story). But getting to our naked, vulnerable affective particularity is precisely what therapy must do.

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